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Hi,

Just started using DS PCB Pro V9.0 and exploring the BOM report.

How do I add the price of an associated part into the BOM. I have added a part to the Associated Part library and provided a cost and price. Attached the part to a schematic and pcb component but the associated part does not show on the BOM, so its cost is not included.

In this case the part on the PCB is a JST 3 way connector. Associated with the connector, but not part of the PCB, is a short lead with a TSOP IR detector soldered to the end of the lead. As this seperate assembly is provided with every PCB we ship it needs to be included in the BOM price and supply list.

Thanks for reading

Allen

Tried to add a response twice but this website will not allow us to reply today so below is our response.

Hi Boss,

Thanks for your quick response.

We have tried turning the SCM/PCB boxes on/off but “Additional parts” do not appear in the BOM reports.

Previously we have used a customised report to produce an Excel file that we examine.

1.      To check we have included all components for the board, also additional off-board ones.

2.      Check prices are current and relevant.

We were hoping the new BOM report in DS Pro would improve analysis, but so far, we have found it difficult to use and get to a version that improves our current system.

Currently we use a system where we add our own fields to schematic symbols. We have a “Value” field and a “Price” field.  These allow us to position the component reference and its value separately.  As I am sure you appreciate, (and we only add this to help others), the reference and value often need to be positioned separately to enhance readability.  We don’t display the price on the schematic but have it for forwarding to the PCB, so it gets included in the Excel report.

Now for additional items such as the PCB itself, M3 nuts, Pillars, IR detector leads et. al. we use schematic symbols linked to a pcb symbol that is just text, (no pads), on a documentation layer. These appear on the Excel report so they can be costed and procured.

As we only produce small numbers of prototype boards, mainly for client’s approval, we only do hand assembly. The Excel reports therefore have two purposes.

1.      To make sure that all PCB and associated components are included in the costings and can be procured.

2.      During hand assembly the reports are sorted to assist component identification and placement.

If the BOM reports could be improved, we would love to use them but at this time they appear quite cumbersome to use and edit.

Currently we will continue to use our custom report in a “If it aint broke don’t fix it” approach.

Thanks again for your response.

Allen

 

 

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April 2, 2020 15:13

Hello Allen, could raise a support ticket for our developers to examine your design and your requirements please.
https://designspark.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Please attach your design files and anything else that will help us understand.

April 2, 2020 15:12

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April 2, 2020 15:12

Hi Boss,
Thanks for your quick response.
We have tried turning the SCM/PCB boxes on/off but “Additional parts” do not appear in the BOM reports.
Previously we have used a customised report to produce an Excel file that we examine.
1. To check we have included all components for the board, also additional off-board ones.
2. Check prices are current and relevant.
We were hoping the new BOM report in DS Pro would improve analysis, but so far, we have found it difficult to use and get to a version that improves our current system.
Currently we use a system where we add our own fields to schematic symbols. We have a “Value” field and a “Price” field. These allow us to position the component reference and its value separately. As I am sure you appreciate, (and we only add this to help others), the reference and value often need to be positioned separately to enhance readability. We don’t display the price on the schematic but have it for forwarding to the PCB, so it gets included in the Excel report.

Now for additional items such as the PCB itself, M3 nuts, Pillars, IR detector leads et. al. we use schematic symbols linked to a pcb symbol that is just text, (no pads), on a documentation layer. These appear on the Excel report so they can be costed and procured.
As we only produce small numbers of prototype boards, mainly for client’s approval, we only do hand assembly. The Excel reports therefore have two purposes.
1. To make sure that all PCB and associated components are included in the costings and can be procured.
2. During hand assembly the reports are sorted to assist component identification and placement.
If the BOM reports could be improved, we would love to use them but at this time they appear quite cumbersome to use and edit.
Currently we will continue to use our custom report in a “If it aint broke don’t fix it” approach.
Thanks again for your response.
Allen

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April 2, 2020 15:13

Thanks Boss,
didn't have those boxes checked, as I was not entirely sure what SCM meant. Obviously schematic, when ones brain gets into gear.

Anyway the SCM/PCB check boxes (Generate and Include, there are two), does not appear to make any difference, the associated parts and there costs are still not included in our BOM report.

In the past with Free version of DS, we use a customised report output to an Excel csv file to do our BOM's, but thought that the new BOM reporting may give us an advantage and would preclude additional handling of Excel reports.

In our system we add two extra fields when designing a component, "Value" where we place text that we wish to appear on the Schematic, and "Price" that we load from our supplier price data.
For this to work, when designing the schematic symbol, we add an extra Reference position and make it Values only. So now we have two bits of text, the Reference name and the Value. As I am sure you know, (and I only put this in to this post to maybe help others), these can be placed separately and can make the schematic diagram easier to read/check. Typically the reference name would have say R34, (yes, its a resistor), and the value would be 10K. Having these separate allows them to be moved independently in the schematic which make it clearer.

These two additional fields appear on our customised Excel Reports so we can do the following:
1. Review all component prices to make sure they are accurate before manufacture.
2. During production, the Excel reports are used to assist with component placing. We only do hand assembly of SMD/thru hole components here as we are only producing prototypes for our clients to approve so typically, one our two boards only.

For additional components, that are not physically part of the PCB assembly, but need to be included for production and costing, a while back in the free version we devised a system where we have a schematic component that has an associated PCB component, but with no pads, it is just text on the documentation layer. We use these components for items such as mounting pillars, nuts and IR leads (see above). As a valid component they all appear on the Excel report so they can be costed and procured.

Thanks for the response, we hope the BOM reports will improve, they are quite difficult to edit to get them into a suitable format for us. E.G write a csv file has no output path associated with it so just goes into the design folder.

Over the years, we have always been very pleased with the DS products and use PCB and Mechanical in our work. Also have lots of respect for your contributions to this forum.

Thanks again.
Allen

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April 2, 2020 15:12

In the BOM Composer have you selected to include SCM/PCB Only components?

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